There are some problems with the narrative when you choose to not watch what happened with Selena not even once.
The game still adress you like you know what is happening when you clearly could not. Also, if you choosed to not watch Selena and the wolves, when you go to talk to Logan about the pendant, you should not be able to choose if you'll hide the details or not (since you don't know what happened, you just found her pendant)
Hold on a second now.... Could it be that this Selena is actually involved in both the disease and the werewolf problem? What do we know about her so far? According to the last Logan event, this person would have the power to give the werewolves commands as well.
I don't believe she has any intentional involvement in the werewolf's infection and was just a slut at first but maybe she is also now a pawn of the person who is taking them? also, the mystery person doesn't have the ability to give commands to all the werewolves just the one he has under his control, the one that runs to him in our latest Logan event. however, I do believe he can control the swamp creatures due to the giant one that shows up, and maybe was planning to get ALL the werewolves that night using the big guy.
(And what we currently know about Serena is literally only that she went kinda insane from getting fucked so good by beasts that she is just sitting in the werewolf cave getting fucked to this day. kinda like the MC bad ends but this one we see the aftereffects of what happened instead of having to reload a save. also, that she was unhappy in the marriage because she suddenly wanted a LOT more sex than Logan was able to provide. maybe the curse of lust somehow affected her as well since we know she went into the forest before she was having marital issues and might have drifted a little close to the corrupted swamp zone?)
Also, I think that if you have enough reputation with Bernard, you can call Caleb to Bernard's house and you'll eventually find new chances to increase your relationship with him
Uhh... guys I think I made I mistake. I believe I gave Rhot way too much love. This itself isnt bad however... when I have sex with him now he uses the "Slut" word a bit too much for my liking =/.
Another aspect I have to deal here: he is getting very... mmm, how can I say it, jealous or possessive, maybe? Whenever I have sex with the leader, after that Rhot comes for more sex, and I thank Hyao for giving us the option of telling him "No" in that situation. Even though I know Rhot can be a good guy--- eh lizard, I dont know what just happened but Rhot makes me feel unconfortable now.
Is this the outcome that happens when the 1st time you encounter Rhot you suck him off? Is there any solution to tell Rhot to use the "S" word a bit less? If not, its ok. There are more options out there xD.
judging how their hasn't been a lizard update concerning Rhot for awhile now, I think thats just how he is. You can run some of the events again and say things he doesn't like maybe?
He asked if you were confortable with being called human slut after you bring Roush back, you probably chooss you like it.
Try decreasing your likes with him, but I think he'll still treat you like that since. On the last option, just avoid/jump his dislogues since you do not feel comfortable with it.
no, you can't win the fight against him, its fixed as you play Groth instead of MC so your stats won't allow you to prevail. also, as I said it's the nameless scene, if Orcs like you enough it shows Khalagor and all the other red orcs pounding your brains out for a second. like he does with all the other things.
sorry I answered that question very badly since I was half awake when I answered that. But the event is litterly called nameless event and it doesn’t show the steps except the first one (which is the bird sended by the witch ).
I just got a bit further in the event but those steps weren’t in the quest log.
I’m mainly just wondering how to get to the encounter with the nameless in the plains of death because I heard people talk about it.
So I just wanted to ask if it's possible to add an option to use multiple items at once? Like for example if you have 1000 cookies you could put an option to put the amount of cookies that you want to use at once without having to click 1000 times?? 💕
I think they meant only off battles, and mainly for people who don't use the legit strats and just use crazy amounts of cookies from the cheat menu to max stats out. if they do mean in battles i agree that would be kinda broken, and by kinda i mean completely and absolutely destroying any form of difficulty ever by essentially making potions the most op thing in the game.
Do you guys know why insade the Den, on the map, there is a question mark at the center of the Alpha's room? At first I thought that was Selena and we would be able to interact with her, but nothing happens when I go there. It is a bug or something Hyao is planning to add?
spam insanity potions then do the slimes and save after/before every loss, when you finally actually get a bad end reload and leave the fight instead of submitting then do whatever other bad end you want.
How do i proceed in "Lizard Treasure" mission, im in the third part when you have to talk to Roushk to take him in the trip. But i talk to him and that option doesnt appear. Help :c
The Payback event first of all requires you to do the Hunt for Werewolves quest of him.
Then, there is a randon chance when you enter the Sawmill, you'll tale a pick at Logan mad and unable to control his transformations.
The third step is visiting Bareshade at night, you'll find Logan at the entrance and he'll just go and let you there.
If you want to start the event, right after talking to him, open the map and go to the forest, to the Den, and find him inside the door at the end of the map.
1 - Who/What is behind the Alpha Werewolf, the Beta Werewolf and the sudden increase on werewolves attacks. During the Payback event, the MC ask himself if the Alpha is not natural from tha region, so who or what brought him there. This is something that could be inserted as a Caleb route thing, for both of you investigate it.
2 - Where is the teacher of the MC. He (as I remember) never visited Northcrest (as we know by now) and I don't think he went to Mythshore either (since there is a human city too). He's probably looking for the source of the Curse of the Lust but how he knows where it is? He received a message from someone warning him or he, from all the people, was the only one able to track the source of it?
3 - How exactly the Curse of the Lust works and spread? Maybe it's through the sex? That would explain why some people seems to be affected by it and some not. But Roushk and his soldiers loosed their minds to the curse after drinking water from the lake. The corrupted lake is the origin of the curse? How it got infected?
4 - The Wraith Fever is the first step of a bigger disease as we saw in Mythshore, it seems that, what happened there, was something more close to an experiment that gone wrong, as in Bareshade it seems that the origin of the disease was probably because of the rats coming from the Old Crypt near there. But why Bernard was the first one to get sick? The tunnel is connected to the bar, to the basement of the bar. Harold would have notice if he saw rats walking around but he just calls for you help a way before you solve the Wraith Fever thing. It just don't click for me.
I can actually answer a few of these as it's a little obscure where the answer is kept.
1. for this one its more speculation on my part but I believe everything involving the werewolves was an experiment by someone trying to make an army of werewolves or just figure out how genetic modification affects the werewolves. that person doing this would be the man we see talking to the werewolf after the swamp creature gets its ass whooped.
2. no one knows yet, but the teacher actually was in Northcrest I believe, when you talk to Ruben and ask about your teacher, I'm pretty sure he says he was in Northcrest for a short amount of time but left quickly. I got no idea where to, but he was in Northcrest I believe.
3. It's not spread through sex purely, it's the corrupted water and sex. the corrupted water was born from something the nameless did and was the only way originally the curse could spread, but once it took effect on a few lizard folk they started spreading it via sex as well as interactions with the corrupted water. however, the original corrupted water may have been from the corrupted lake it was not the source of corruption, that was the Nameless and he is also the one who I'm pretty sure corrupted the original lake.
4. the reason Bernard got sick is actually a little confusing to me too but the version he had actually was much milder than the one in Mythshore. the reason the one in Mythshore was so bad as we all saw was because of the booster added into a "cure" made by those people from Northcrest who ended up causing literal zombies to be born. Bernard if we had not treated him would only have died, not become a zombie since the version he had wasn't affected by the booster like the ones in Mythshore.
This is all I got, some speculation, other facts from past events and stuff characters told us. although usually quietly when we are trying to jack off since the character is either getting fucked or fucking during these dialogs lmao.
i didn't played Logan event yet but I do believe it involves someone else too.
I had in mind the sentence of Ruben saying he does not remember anyone who fits the characteristics that you describe to him, but I can be wrong though.
But why Nameless corrupted a lake if he could just corrupted Roushk and Othra and end the leadership of the lizardfolks? It would ruin theis society faster. And why he NEED them to be corrupted to get the gem? Maybe the speel of the lizards are something Nameless can not fight though?
I still believe Bernard has something to do or knows something of the Old Crypt. It's so strange the fact he is the only NPC you can talk about it, not even Harold who OWNS the bar. This man smells funny and I do think we can wait for more of him ahead.
maybe I misread the event, but I thought he said out teacher was in Northcrest for a short time, might be my bad. ill check again.
he corrupted the lake and such because he can't reach inside the temple, something is protecting everyone (except us) from his power. also, it's because he needed the barrier to fall so, he could get the gem. so yeah, the magic of the lizard folk is pretty much exactly why he needs them corrupted lol.
mentioning it does make him kinda fishy, I wonder what's going on without us knowing?
Maybe the reason why he can touch us is somethinf about the 4° wall? Like he knows the MC is a character and is the only one whose actions are not pre scripted?
Can i get spoilers about Alpha Werewolf? i cant get to said part yet. I thought it was pretty majestic, as well as sexy of course, and on the halloween update it got a new event going on where a Whole In-game picture was shared about it. Is the Alpha Werewolf doing fine?
Hey, I am really happy that we had a huge update some days ago. Unlicky,it seems that I cannot unlock the caleb event; event if I thibk to have all the requirements.
Caleb likes me more then 50, I walked with him
I have Feliar,Steve, Korg the lizards invited to the fair
I finished the werewolf eventgoing after bernard and helped him
I have bottom Logan; so I couldn'thave the event of the last update.
What about swamp werewolf?which event was?
So far I have caleb's horror story unthicked in my non canon mission.
Is there any benefit to getting the Black Heart from characters? Cause on one hand I want to fuck Gunnar cause I'm a top but on the other hand I don't usually like having negative affection with characters....
Usually no, since doing that prevents you for having a relation or sex with that NPS. In the case of Gunnar I'm almost sure that you chan fight him again even with a Black heart, but you don't have all the other scenes
no not a single benefit. in the future maybe having a black heart with some other characters will make other characters trust/distrust you instantly. like if you use the love potioin on korg and get his black heart maybe rumors will spread among the orcs your a rapist or some shit and they will begin disliking you more and you have to earn back what was lost via the black heart.
or on the other hand having a black heart with... lets use Korg again might have some Northcrest people trust you more since orcs seem to REALLY dislike the MC. or other enemies of the orcs.
been a year since I said this but I've been looking for this comment to add this, this is all speculation on potential future content. it is not in game.
I dont see any mentions of what having pheromones do for your home I have mine at 100, havent had anything new happen and was curious what it does or if it even has any effects on anything yet?
Each character could have a Lust Meter which indicates how much the Curse of Lust has affected they. We know that apparently, the lizard people seems less resistent to it, so their Lust Meter would increase faster than the others.
Also, some actions could increase the Lust Meter of the characters, like when you give Rhot Lust Potions intead of the Restrain ones. This meter could be lowered by having sex with them or release them somehow (or giving them restrain potions frequently, what would give more meaning for you to be a herbalist).
An NPC with a full Lust Meter could trigger some sex scenes randonly (just like Bottom Logan route) and when their Lust Meter is low or 0, it means it would be impossible to have sex with them.
There could be a mechanic like, every week their Lust Meter increase a little or after some events. It could also be something fixed that is exclusively affected by the MC actions.
I think that since we have the option to side with Nameless, it could comes to hand to know how far we are to corrupt everyone.
Yeah, I mean we still got an orb, right? And Nameless seems interested on it. Probably something can be done, maybe. I just wonder how complex could be to implement all that.
The idea doesnt seem bad. However at the present moment we simply lack information because we dont know what is Nameless up to really, which take us to the next question: Would this really fit in the story? We can only especulate at this point.
As much as I desire to interact with Nameless countless tentacles again as his lusty loyal follower, I am afraid we will have to be patient until Hyao decides is finally the right moment for Nameless story to advance.
I didn't played this new update yet so I didn't interacted with him.
To be honest with you, I don't think Nameless's goal is to corrupt everyone, but he seems to be one behind the Curse of the Lust, so, it may help him in some way.
his goal wasn't to corrupt everyone, just get an item from the lizard tribe and he found getting rid of all of them to be the best way, and yes, he was behind the curse of lust.
I remembered that, but I do think the Curse of the Lust must be something to do with his plans. Apparently, he seems to cursed the orcs to but the effect is different since the Orcs just got more angrier. Maybe he want something from them too.
It has been a bit since i played, but in one quest i remember... a woman is having fun with wolves. Can we claim her? take her from them later? or is she completely gone? Hopefully we have that opportunity...?
Also how much content for each is there? an example would be how much m/m or m/f and f/f? is there a balance or does one have more then the rest for now? or does one have far less then the others?
Anyways i hope you and all are well and that you take care...
*The fact i that missed the notice at the top notwithstanding >< i am still curious on the current state of content... any help is most appreciated!*
About the content, I think there is more M/F (If you pick the female MC) and M/M equally since there are just a few female NPCs you can interact. Most of the NPCs you find are males and most of them are bissexual.
For a game who still in development stage, this game is such a charming experience. He's well written and there are a lot of NPCs and places and events and quests and arts.
Right know, I think Hyao (the creator) already introduced us to the main plot, but we can sure wait a ton of things to come before it ends.
Thank you for the information! And the time you spent on replying...
It kinda has me down that we can't save or possibly (read hopefully) claim the "wolf" girl yet. But with the quality of the game so far and the shear awesomeness of the dev and their team i can gladly wait.
To be honest with you I don't think in the near future (or ever) she'll be saveable. You don't seem to know much about her so I think you'll be surprised when you realize.
The fact you can not even mess with werewolfs while exploring the Den with Logan probably because Hyao would not be able to put it into words what Logan would feel seein another person he loves offering himself to werewolves LOL
I can't figure out how to finish the Korg halloween event. There are 3 parts to the quest. Meeting Korg at Rose's shop, answering Korg's question at home about light and dark colors, then a third part that I can't seem to figure out. Does anyone have an answer to this?
After you finished the first Halloween event during Fair which held on Sunday, I think you need to enter to Bareshade during the night next day for the third part of this event.
question for anyone who wants to answer, do we call the updates the month they came outs update or the month they were worked on? like the update that came out this month is November, but it was worked on in October, so is it October's update or November's?
Personally, I call the updates the month they came outs update. Just like when we hold some camps or parties, we actually call the month or the season that camps or parties were held, like summer camp, even we have prepared things for camps or parties before that.
I call them v 0.47, v 0.48 and so on. Actually the update 0.47 was worked on in September (the halloween special is part of v 0.48), it came out in October for Patreon members and in November for the public
Calling it the month they were worked on would be kinda strange.
Let's think this way. Hyao released October's update day 5, so, he has enough time to work on the next month update and release it every month, on the 5° day.
yeah. but you can have them in a separate save, one for the horny in bad and one for the horny in good. also you can only keep Roushk in jail if he is on the corrupted route and he gets a special scene with Rhot when you fuck Rhot after you capture him, that is not in the good route so special horny.
(even if i cant bring myself to do it i know it exists.)
that might be why they need the save, they might have chosen the sex scene instead of the "nah homie you drunk" option out of curiosity and forgot to save at the choice.
Why do you think Logan is such a difficult character to get along with? He's so different from the others since there are a LOT of ways to screw his route.
His choices are always kinda tricky since it's kinda difficult to read him. The fact that he is possessive and don't want to share you don't help either.
To answer your question: I see how people can see in Logan a nice challenge to deal with, a hard nut to crack you know? That sort of thing, then they get to see his other side, that works for them.
In my case however, I dont like when someone yells at me (whatever that reason is). I suppose I can let that detail happen in a fictional world... But I would never be able to endure such thing in a real man: I would lack the courage, guts and patience to withstand any kind of yelling. My 1st reaction would be to run away. Especially for a person that is not very confident.
At my age of 36 I expect (if such thing ever happens lol) that I can communicate and talk things out with my man in a reasonable way. I dont care if you are hot af or what but if you throw sudden violent temper tantrums, that is going to be a big no-no for me lol
Interestingly enough, Logan agrees with your assessment of him! At least, based on Logan's in-game actions.
He's abrasive, generally doesn't touch people, and with his now ex-wife leaving him he's a very bitter man, who closes himself off from everyone around him.
Every time you help him out, he notes that you shouldn't.. That you should do what everyone does and tolerate him at best. He tries to do everything by himself, often to the point of severely injuring himself rather than asking for help. Logan honestly seems to believe that he should just be alone, since he's not a good enough person to deserve anyone else - the one person he opened himself up to hurt him really badly.
For me, now, my being kind to Logan in return isn't due to a challenge; it's empathy. I'd like to help Logan trust people a bit more again, and you're rewarded for this by him getting less abrasive. Less angry. Heck, it gets to the point where you can have people meet up with Logan who would definitely have caused him to flip out before - but instead now he just grumbles a little, since he trusts you. Is much more willing to stick his neck out. He's still gruff, since he's stubborn, and you're not going to erase who he is (nor should you!), but I find it heartwarming seeing him open up.
The scene where Logan first transforms, you catch up to him, and he in tears begs for you to stay (since he believes you shouldn't and won't) since he's terrified of being alone /right now/ when he's not sure what is happening to him is one of the most powerful in the game to me.
It's then kind of neat, in my opinion, that Hyao has an option for 'Ehhh I just want a ton of sex scenes' instead, haha, as you can always just go for bottom Logan and get plenty of scenes with none of that 'needing to form a relationship with him' in the way. As really, nobody is for everybody - some people find Caleb being a goofball to be annoying, others rather adore him for it.
I never thought of it as Logan himself didn't feel he deserved love, but the way you said it actually makes that make a lot of sense! everything he does is to push others away, so he doesn't get hurt himself, but also so he doesn't hurt them. maybe Serena cheating made him feel unworthy of love and also angry at others who get it? like a double-edged sword where he wanted it but couldn't stand the idea and the potential betrayal that could happen after the last time, so in response he shuts himself away and shuts any pathway to his heart, but well, where there's a will there's a way lol.
Logan is toxic. Both in game situations and when you bring it to the real world.
He is toxic because he knows how stubborn he is, but he don't do a thing to change it. It just happened because the MC appeared on his life.
And you can say: "But he is hurten and don't know how to call for help or is afraid or it's too prideful to do it" and you're right.
The fact that he is a toxic person does not mean he isn't a human being. He is suffering A LOT through and before game events (since his marriage was basically dead).
On my opinion, what happens to Logan is something similiar that happens in psicology, during a relationship between a psycologist and a pacient. It's very common to the pacient to do something we call "emotional dump" (I don't know the proper word for it in English, sorry) where the pacient start to get feelings for his/her psycologist.
This happens because the psycologist figure is the one that makes you feel better. That understands you. You are not in love with him/her because you like him/her, but simply because it makes you feel better about yourself and you want this person closer to you.
This is basically how I ser LoganXMC relationship. You are the only one trying to help him regardless of how rude he treats you. You are the only one who saw him at his worst and stayed by his side. You are the only one who he feels comfortable to talk to. You make him feel better about himself, you make him feel that he is not a monster (despite he totally acts like one and it's totally understandable why people think what they think about him).
The only reason why we still try to get along with him is because we know this is game. We knoe that sooner or later he will grow feelings for us. But that does not happen always in reality.
Logan has all the characteristics of an abusive partner. He is that crazy ex of a friend of you. Not a nice person, for real.
While I agree with most of what you stated here, I wouldn't quite say /everything/, since uh...
>We knoe that sooner or later he will grow feelings for us.<
That part isn't true for me at least, haha. Since another person who's pretty abrasive is Gunnar, and I am trying my best to be friendly to him whenever I can even though I honestly don't expect him to grow feelings for me. Like, I'm also a top and do not put up with him being a jerk (particularly to anyone else; this fact is also true to Logan by the by), but I then have consciously stuck my neck out to help him out more than once.
Now, I then don't care about him nearly as much, but my ideal goal for him is 'can meet up on friendly terms' more than anything else haha. Still, I'm definitely being nice to him!
I then only slightly agree with your last statement. It is definitely true that Logan has the /characteristics/ of an abusive partner, but an important line is that he's then /not/ an abusive partner because he imposes on the player exactly once, and that's when you the player go after him during the werewolf event (And is, I believe, the only time he begs for help). If anything, he pushes people away because he doesn't think he'd make a good partner at all, haha, and this is partially because he has serious anger problems, and partially because he was in a relationship and it ended sourly (that relationship also didn't sound the most healthy!)
And remember - the first time you and Logan are really in a relationship is, uh, 'right now'. Before that he realizes he's having feelings for you, and addresses this in the most Logany possible fashion of 'trying to come over and get drunk enough to give you the only thing he presumes you want from him, since he's a mess' (And his dialogue is pretty clear about 'you couldn't possibly /really/ care'). You /really/ are helping the guy out if you go through his route.
If anything, the fact that he goes out of his way to try to /not/ be in a relationship with you helps show that he's a better person than he thinks he is.
Contrast Gunnar for that, haha, which is part of why I'm not at all as interested in him, but can try to be nice to him all the same.
So yeah - Logan is the angry person who lives off by himself and doesn't bother people, which is different from being an abusive person who wants to take advantage of people.
I really think Hyao has something planned for Gunnar in the future, since he is not a Jerk all the time. He is very serious when talking about Scar and his mission.
If you're a bottom/sub he'll treat you harsh because that's basically what you are asking for when you met him (It does not help the fact that the MC never complains and the text itself tells you that he's enjoying it). About being a top, I don't know how he treats you, but knowing my husband it probably is not what you expect.
Being a top/bottom does not affect how loving he'll be with you. For know his just there for some (awesome) lewd scenes.
About Logan being an abusive partner or don't. I don't think he is abusive, but he portraits himself as one. We know, from him, that one of the problems from his prior relationship was the lack of sex and then they started discussing more and more. We don't know exactly what happened so we can't state anything from it.
There are a lot of way of being abusive and one of those ways it's how little he opens himself to you. Being in a relationship requires honestly when it comes to feelings and he does not do it at all (at least until where I played, before his new event).
When I played for the first time I thought that was impossible to get a romantic relationship with him because that's the way he acts. Just like the MC, when he starts opening himself up for you, I got confused on what were his intentions: he was kissing me because he liked me or because he thought that was what I wanted?
As I said he may not be an abusive partner, but that's the picture of him we get during the gameplay. He is a mess who's trying to get in a relationship with you and the only fact this is probably going to work it's because this is game. That's not how real life works.
>About being a top, I don't know how he treats you, < I can tell you the answer to this one: He's basically a total jerk to you regardless, haha. He is indeed serious when work is going on, but even then he will stop and drop a jerk statement about what you should be doing, or a jerky-lewd statement about what you should be doing to him.
Now if he didn't then do his job, he'd also be incompetent and Gunnar isn't meant to be incompetent haha, he's a talented guard with some shifty connections. But that is a different story, and he certainly doesn't start a relationship with you and then start treating you harshly because he thinks you might like it (That would be fine). He opens by treating you very harshly, if you like it then hey that's cool for you.
Then I feel you're not quite being fair to Logan with your statements here!
>There are a lot of way of being abusive and one of those ways it's how little he opens himself to you<
I mean that stands to reason - you're not /in a relationship/ when that is happening! In fact this involves him expressly noting that you /shouldn't/ try to get to know him better.
> He is a mess who's trying to get in a relationship with you<
No, he definitely is /not/ this. He goes out of his way to /not/ get in a relationship with you, to try to stick to himself, to shut the player out, even to the point of injuring himself. The first time he really opens up is when he transforms for the first time and is absolutely terrified about being alone - if you stick with him there you can note him still being hesitant and still being 'why would you /do/ that I'm not a good person'.
He is absolutely not /trying/ to get into a relationship with you, even when he begins to have feelings for you due to your being quite selfless towards him. Heck, the whole focus of the 'I'll get you a beer' scene is that he presumes you don't want a /relationship/ with him and just want to have sex with him due to his muscles, so he's trying to get drunk enough to give you what you're owed without feeling too raw about it.
Him trying to have a proper relationship with you is extremely new to him, and he's /much/ more mellow about it now once he begins actually returning your affection. Even there he constantly compares himself to the he-thinks-better-fit-for-you Bernard, haha.
If you go after Bernard first, when you tell Logan that you did that Logan is completely understanding, 'Yeah, that was the right move'.
When you go after Logan first, he is astonished, "Wha?! Why didn't you go after Bernard? Why would you go after /me/ first?"
>when he starts opening himself up for you, I got confused on what were his intentions: he was kissing me because he liked me or because he thought that was what I wanted?<
Oh this is pretty clear too - he cannot fathom anyone /wanting/ to be in a relationship with him, haha, but you are extremely nice to him and quite selfless at that point. Really, that's the crux of the 'I owe you a beer' scene - him assuming that the only reason you could be there for him is because you like how he looks.
Which is also a big part of why, if you take that offer and thus confirm his expectations, it hurts him /so much/. And at that point if you refuse, that's the second time he really opens up to you, really makes himself emotionally vulnerable to you. And also marks a big change in his demeanor towards you, since that's when you actually start 'okay this is sort of a relationship' and he starts being at least a bit more hospitable.
Gunnar is much more of the abusive partner (Gunnar pretty constantly makes demands of you whether you pursue him or not. This is then completely fine if that's your thing, mind you, but is much less fine if it isn't haha). I am happy with the limited 'not tremendously negative' interactions with him that happen sometimes, though!
Logan isn't really searching for a relationship with you (or anyone at the moment, he got burned) and is constantly surprised by your actions towards him, and only starts to really like you when he notes how often you jump in to help him even though (as he often notes) it's stupid to do so since he's not a good person.
...Well, before now haha. If you do have three hearts with him, then /now/ he /is/ trying to be in a relationship with you, and I imagine at least part of it will become pretty rocky since Logan is pretty messed up of an individual. If nothing else, I'm sure he's thinking about his previous relationship every time he does things in this one. So we can see for the future, haha.
I'm glad to have helped Logan get more comfortable with being a werewolf, too.
I'm going with the reason being Hyao understood everyone was obsessed with him and wanted to make him a slow burn for readers for longer playtime, which funnily enough also feels like the only GOOD way to write his character with how his plotlines have been set up.
those setups being, He was cheated on by his wife who had been with him for prolly his entire adult life with LITERAL animals and giant werewolves he counts as monsters, he then proceeded to become a werewolf which was something else his wife ditched him for.
Then had to deal with the MC being in his life and changing how he felt about certain things making him an even bigger mess in his mind, especially if you're a guy since he thought he was straight for his entire life until you showed up and basically made him question his own sexuality.
Everything about him screams he needed help and him suddenly just accepting everything and being ok with it wouldn't fit with him at all nor would his choices being easy to read or make, how could anyone really tell with simplicity what choice would be correct unless you went through something similar and had someone like you who you wish said those things to you. this however is all coming from a major whore for him and also someone who could tell what choices to make due to having a major addiction to reading fan fiction/any book with a love interest that is damaged or hurt getting the help they need from someone they eventually fall in love with, giving me prior experience with what choices would make a person really mad or help them out.
also, Hyao is like really good at writing character's that feel like real human's so if you understand how people would usually act in real life it gets a bit easier to read as well.
Hey so I'm using the mobile version and for some reason the screen's misaligned. It's messing up the buttons too, so it's pretty much unplayable for me. I tried reinstalling too, it's still the same.
Okay I managed to find a fix for this. After opening the game, I go back to my phone's home screen and open the game again, and it realigns the screen back to normal.
Oh! Well since you're offering, I do have a question I'd like to ask. Do I need to have the axe or pickaxe to use them for their respective tasks, or is it enough to just have them in the inventory?
Damn I really love seeing Logan tretingthe MC as his property and getting emotional with Him but I wonder if the bext update will finally bring us His 4th heart and a romantic route
I don't think his fourth heart will be in the next update but maybe some minor stuff with him since Hyao said October's update was gonna be a bit smaller since we got the Halloween update.
for some unknown reason, I can't invite Feliar to the fair. Can someone please tell me how to invite him? I have to invite him to trigger the beginning of the end
I chose the bad ending for the lizard tribe and captured Roushk. I brought him to the tribe to infect the whole tribe with the curse, but when i get back home roushk is no longer in his prison cell. Is this what's to be expected after the event?
I also am kinda feeling bad for choosing the bad ending. It makes me feel want to start anew and choose the good one instead. Will I still get sexy scenes when going through that route?
I started a new game to try different routes. The thing is: when I choose to not inform Othra about the corrupted lake under the forgotten temple, and when I suggest her to inform all lizards about the purification lake, the quest log still tells me to find Roushk at the corrupted lake, but when I take him to Othra, the quest log tells me I did not make those chooses, but the cleansing route ones. Is this normal? If not, what are the right steps to do?
Is normal: is a "bug". The only way to have the bad ending and show the red choices in the log is to choose "Tell the others about the lake" and Warriors’ + Acolytes’ lust >=10, otherwise indipendently from your choiches it resets as if you had choosen the green options
Its so amazing to think how this game keeps growing and growing. Hyao, thank you for the lust update ;) xD.
Message written from the wolves den while I keep allowing the alpha werewolf to "plop plop plop" my ass. I also see a line of werewolves waiting for their turn looking at me mischievously :U. Its all thanks to you.
Hyao thank you for making this game, originally I was only interested in getting dicked down but now I have several incredibly addicting storylines that I can't wait to find out the mysteries of and a massive community of people who have similar interests as me at almost any time of day! you're amazing and I hope your life is always blessed by luck and happiness.
also, deadass if you ever became an author for a book and wrote about stuff in Aigran or any other world you make I would prolly buy it in a heartbeat.
my phrasing was off on that bit lol, what I meant was if Hyao ever wrote a book I would buy the book asap, deadass was just supposed to mean super serious lmao.
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Playing with a female character to see how different the NPCs will treat me...
There are some problems with the narrative when you choose to not watch what happened with Selena not even once.
The game still adress you like you know what is happening when you clearly could not. Also, if you choosed to not watch Selena and the wolves, when you go to talk to Logan about the pendant, you should not be able to choose if you'll hide the details or not (since you don't know what happened, you just found her pendant)
Hold on a second now.... Could it be that this Selena is actually involved in both the disease and the werewolf problem? What do we know about her so far? According to the last Logan event, this person would have the power to give the werewolves commands as well.
Fishy fishy...
I just got spoiled I'm gonna cry.
Ouch, my bad. Sorry
At least it's just a theorie LOL
little spoiler alert.
I don't believe she has any intentional involvement in the werewolf's infection and was just a slut at first but maybe she is also now a pawn of the person who is taking them? also, the mystery person doesn't have the ability to give commands to all the werewolves just the one he has under his control, the one that runs to him in our latest Logan event. however, I do believe he can control the swamp creatures due to the giant one that shows up, and maybe was planning to get ALL the werewolves that night using the big guy.
(And what we currently know about Serena is literally only that she went kinda insane from getting fucked so good by beasts that she is just sitting in the werewolf cave getting fucked to this day. kinda like the MC bad ends but this one we see the aftereffects of what happened instead of having to reload a save. also, that she was unhappy in the marriage because she suddenly wanted a LOT more sex than Logan was able to provide. maybe the curse of lust somehow affected her as well since we know she went into the forest before she was having marital issues and might have drifted a little close to the corrupted swamp zone?)
I like it. Take my kudos good sir :D
does anyone know how to raise the like with Caleb? I keep doing the beer and howling but his like won’t go up and is stuck at 24.
Try spending time with him at the fair
Also, I think that if you have enough reputation with Bernard, you can call Caleb to Bernard's house and you'll eventually find new chances to increase your relationship with him
Uhh... guys I think I made I mistake. I believe I gave Rhot way too much love. This itself isnt bad however... when I have sex with him now he uses the "Slut" word a bit too much for my liking =/.
Another aspect I have to deal here: he is getting very... mmm, how can I say it, jealous or possessive, maybe? Whenever I have sex with the leader, after that Rhot comes for more sex, and I thank Hyao for giving us the option of telling him "No" in that situation. Even though I know Rhot can be a good guy--- eh lizard, I dont know what just happened but Rhot makes me feel unconfortable now.
Is this the outcome that happens when the 1st time you encounter Rhot you suck him off? Is there any solution to tell Rhot to use the "S" word a bit less? If not, its ok. There are more options out there xD.
judging how their hasn't been a lizard update concerning Rhot for awhile now, I think thats just how he is. You can run some of the events again and say things he doesn't like maybe?
He asked if you were confortable with being called human slut after you bring Roush back, you probably chooss you like it.
Try decreasing your likes with him, but I think he'll still treat you like that since. On the last option, just avoid/jump his dislogues since you do not feel comfortable with it.
how do i trigger the nameless event?
After finishing the Between words event I think. Try sleeping on the ruins. That's the first step.
ah thank you, I haven’t finished that yet so that could be the cause
I'm almost sure it is. If you still have problems just ask.
How do you solve the rat puzzle with elemental plates?
Zone 05 means first row, sixth column, Zone 108 means eleventh row, ninth column and so on.
Tell me if something is confusing or you don't understand.
Hi, is there any way to intimate with Ogram or Khalgor? maybe during the fight raising their lust and how?
Not for now
Khalgor technically but it's not really him. just the nameless showing you your wildest dreams lmao Orgram has nothing whatsoever atm.
how did you did it? winning the fight against him? if so pls give me tips I've tried everything
no, you can't win the fight against him, its fixed as you play Groth instead of MC so your stats won't allow you to prevail. also, as I said it's the nameless scene, if Orcs like you enough it shows Khalagor and all the other red orcs pounding your brains out for a second. like he does with all the other things.
How do I continue with the nameless event?
after the lizard's treasure, so i'm done with lizard's treasure
sorry I answered that question very badly since I was half awake when I answered that. But the event is litterly called nameless event and it doesn’t show the steps except the first one (which is the bird sended by the witch ).
I just got a bit further in the event but those steps weren’t in the quest log.
I’m mainly just wondering how to get to the encounter with the nameless in the plains of death because I heard people talk about it.
Hello 👋
So I just wanted to ask if it's possible to add an option to use multiple items at once? Like for example if you have 1000 cookies you could put an option to put the amount of cookies that you want to use at once without having to click 1000 times?? 💕
On ny opinion, this os probably not gonna be included, since we just have this kind of problem using cheats, but it's a good ideia.
Like using 1000 cookies at once
No. Bcs if the Dev add it, it's gonna break the game.
Imagine using 1000 health option etc.
I think they meant only off battles, and mainly for people who don't use the legit strats and just use crazy amounts of cookies from the cheat menu to max stats out. if they do mean in battles i agree that would be kinda broken, and by kinda i mean completely and absolutely destroying any form of difficulty ever by essentially making potions the most op thing in the game.
Yes that what i meant.If you say off battle then it's gonna take more time,because they need to code it so that it just meant for outside battle.
Do you guys know why insade the Den, on the map, there is a question mark at the center of the Alpha's room? At first I thought that was Selena and we would be able to interact with her, but nothing happens when I go there. It is a bug or something Hyao is planning to add?
It's almost surely her, since the bad ending with werelogan let us know that she is in the "throne room", but for know we can't do anything
I never done this bad ending of Logan, maybe in another route
It happens if your sanity drops to 0 while submitting to werelogan during the full moon storyline
By submitting or having sex with certain nps and enemies, like the jelly monster orWerelogan when is in the den out of control
spam insanity potions then do the slimes and save after/before every loss, when you finally actually get a bad end reload and leave the fight instead of submitting then do whatever other bad end you want.
When exactly the troubles in the den event ends?
I saw Logan stressed about something going on with the pack.
I saw the vines of swamp in area outside the den.
I saw the purple swamp creature in the dark swamp.
I found and fought the swamp werewolf at the tree in Mysty Abiss.
I went back and talked to Logan about it.
Is there any other step to made or now I need to wait for the event of the forest?
You only need to wait for the forest scouting event
Will I have the chance to refuse and do it later?
unfortunately no
Thanks for warning.
You're welcome!
How do i proceed in "Lizard Treasure" mission, im in the third part when you have to talk to Roushk to take him in the trip. But i talk to him and that option doesnt appear. Help :c
If the trip is for Bareshade, it needs to be early in the morning.
Thaaaaaaaaaaanks
No problem, when I played I thought that maybe I lost my chance too
how，can i trigger the payback event？ （logan）could someone help me？
The Payback event first of all requires you to do the Hunt for Werewolves quest of him.
Then, there is a randon chance when you enter the Sawmill, you'll tale a pick at Logan mad and unable to control his transformations.
The third step is visiting Bareshade at night, you'll find Logan at the entrance and he'll just go and let you there.
If you want to start the event, right after talking to him, open the map and go to the forest, to the Den, and find him inside the door at the end of the map.
Thanks for your reply！I'll try for it now
No problem. Let us know if you were able to do it.
Things I'm most interested in knowing:
1 - Who/What is behind the Alpha Werewolf, the Beta Werewolf and the sudden increase on werewolves attacks. During the Payback event, the MC ask himself if the Alpha is not natural from tha region, so who or what brought him there. This is something that could be inserted as a Caleb route thing, for both of you investigate it.
2 - Where is the teacher of the MC. He (as I remember) never visited Northcrest (as we know by now) and I don't think he went to Mythshore either (since there is a human city too). He's probably looking for the source of the Curse of the Lust but how he knows where it is? He received a message from someone warning him or he, from all the people, was the only one able to track the source of it?
3 - How exactly the Curse of the Lust works and spread? Maybe it's through the sex? That would explain why some people seems to be affected by it and some not. But Roushk and his soldiers loosed their minds to the curse after drinking water from the lake. The corrupted lake is the origin of the curse? How it got infected?
4 - The Wraith Fever is the first step of a bigger disease as we saw in Mythshore, it seems that, what happened there, was something more close to an experiment that gone wrong, as in Bareshade it seems that the origin of the disease was probably because of the rats coming from the Old Crypt near there. But why Bernard was the first one to get sick? The tunnel is connected to the bar, to the basement of the bar. Harold would have notice if he saw rats walking around but he just calls for you help a way before you solve the Wraith Fever thing. It just don't click for me.
Just some things that I think a lot.
I can actually answer a few of these as it's a little obscure where the answer is kept.
1. for this one its more speculation on my part but I believe everything involving the werewolves was an experiment by someone trying to make an army of werewolves or just figure out how genetic modification affects the werewolves. that person doing this would be the man we see talking to the werewolf after the swamp creature gets its ass whooped.
2. no one knows yet, but the teacher actually was in Northcrest I believe, when you talk to Ruben and ask about your teacher, I'm pretty sure he says he was in Northcrest for a short amount of time but left quickly. I got no idea where to, but he was in Northcrest I believe.
3. It's not spread through sex purely, it's the corrupted water and sex. the corrupted water was born from something the nameless did and was the only way originally the curse could spread, but once it took effect on a few lizard folk they started spreading it via sex as well as interactions with the corrupted water. however, the original corrupted water may have been from the corrupted lake it was not the source of corruption, that was the Nameless and he is also the one who I'm pretty sure corrupted the original lake.
4. the reason Bernard got sick is actually a little confusing to me too but the version he had actually was much milder than the one in Mythshore. the reason the one in Mythshore was so bad as we all saw was because of the booster added into a "cure" made by those people from Northcrest who ended up causing literal zombies to be born. Bernard if we had not treated him would only have died, not become a zombie since the version he had wasn't affected by the booster like the ones in Mythshore.
This is all I got, some speculation, other facts from past events and stuff characters told us. although usually quietly when we are trying to jack off since the character is either getting fucked or fucking during these dialogs lmao.
i didn't played Logan event yet but I do believe it involves someone else too.
I had in mind the sentence of Ruben saying he does not remember anyone who fits the characteristics that you describe to him, but I can be wrong though.
But why Nameless corrupted a lake if he could just corrupted Roushk and Othra and end the leadership of the lizardfolks? It would ruin theis society faster. And why he NEED them to be corrupted to get the gem? Maybe the speel of the lizards are something Nameless can not fight though?
I still believe Bernard has something to do or knows something of the Old Crypt. It's so strange the fact he is the only NPC you can talk about it, not even Harold who OWNS the bar. This man smells funny and I do think we can wait for more of him ahead.
yeah, it was a little confirmed lol.
maybe I misread the event, but I thought he said out teacher was in Northcrest for a short time, might be my bad. ill check again.
he corrupted the lake and such because he can't reach inside the temple, something is protecting everyone (except us) from his power. also, it's because he needed the barrier to fall so, he could get the gem. so yeah, the magic of the lizard folk is pretty much exactly why he needs them corrupted lol.
mentioning it does make him kinda fishy, I wonder what's going on without us knowing?
Maybe the reason why he can touch us is somethinf about the 4° wall? Like he knows the MC is a character and is the only one whose actions are not pre scripted?
Can i get spoilers about Alpha Werewolf? i cant get to said part yet. I thought it was pretty majestic, as well as sexy of course, and on the halloween update it got a new event going on where a Whole In-game picture was shared about it. Is the Alpha Werewolf doing fine?
He's fine. Trust me.
thank you very much~
Today is 11th of November... Happy single day everyone.
Sniff... :´(
I'm not single if I have a 2d husband
Hey, I am really happy that we had a huge update some days ago. Unlicky,it seems that I cannot unlock the caleb event; event if I thibk to have all the requirements.
Caleb likes me more then 50, I walked with him
I have Feliar,Steve, Korg the lizards invited to the fair
I finished the werewolf eventgoing after bernard and helped him
I have bottom Logan; so I couldn'thave the event of the last update.
What about swamp werewolf?which event was?
So far I have caleb's horror story unthicked in my non canon mission.
Could you help me please? :) thanks!
This one: https://hyao.itch.io/lustful-desires/devlog/435321/update-046
I dunno if anyone already brought it up, but since there are options to choose your "gender" why not add trans options, it would be a cool addition!
I really like this game btw, it's the best of its kind in my opinion
I agree with you!
let's keep our fingers crossed!!
right! I don't want my chara to be misgendered but also want him to have a pussy... 😭
Is there any benefit to getting the Black Heart from characters? Cause on one hand I want to fuck Gunnar cause I'm a top but on the other hand I don't usually like having negative affection with characters....
Usually no, since doing that prevents you for having a relation or sex with that NPS. In the case of Gunnar I'm almost sure that you chan fight him again even with a Black heart, but you don't have all the other scenes
no not a single benefit. in the future maybe having a black heart with some other characters will make other characters trust/distrust you instantly. like if you use the love potioin on korg and get his black heart maybe rumors will spread among the orcs your a rapist or some shit and they will begin disliking you more and you have to earn back what was lost via the black heart.
or on the other hand having a black heart with... lets use Korg again might have some Northcrest people trust you more since orcs seem to REALLY dislike the MC. or other enemies of the orcs.
been a year since I said this but I've been looking for this comment to add this, this is all speculation on potential future content. it is not in game.
I dont see any mentions of what having pheromones do for your home I have mine at 100, havent had anything new happen and was curious what it does or if it even has any effects on anything yet?
It has no effect
Ideia I had related to the Curse of the Lust
(Spoilers ahead)
Each character could have a Lust Meter which indicates how much the Curse of Lust has affected they. We know that apparently, the lizard people seems less resistent to it, so their Lust Meter would increase faster than the others.
Also, some actions could increase the Lust Meter of the characters, like when you give Rhot Lust Potions intead of the Restrain ones. This meter could be lowered by having sex with them or release them somehow (or giving them restrain potions frequently, what would give more meaning for you to be a herbalist).
An NPC with a full Lust Meter could trigger some sex scenes randonly (just like Bottom Logan route) and when their Lust Meter is low or 0, it means it would be impossible to have sex with them.
There could be a mechanic like, every week their Lust Meter increase a little or after some events. It could also be something fixed that is exclusively affected by the MC actions.
I think that since we have the option to side with Nameless, it could comes to hand to know how far we are to corrupt everyone.
What you guys think?
Yeah, I mean we still got an orb, right? And Nameless seems interested on it. Probably something can be done, maybe. I just wonder how complex could be to implement all that.
The idea doesnt seem bad. However at the present moment we simply lack information because we dont know what is Nameless up to really, which take us to the next question: Would this really fit in the story? We can only especulate at this point.
As much as I desire to interact with Nameless countless tentacles again as his lusty loyal follower, I am afraid we will have to be patient until Hyao decides is finally the right moment for Nameless story to advance.
I didn't played this new update yet so I didn't interacted with him.
To be honest with you, I don't think Nameless's goal is to corrupt everyone, but he seems to be one behind the Curse of the Lust, so, it may help him in some way.
his goal wasn't to corrupt everyone, just get an item from the lizard tribe and he found getting rid of all of them to be the best way, and yes, he was behind the curse of lust.
I remembered that, but I do think the Curse of the Lust must be something to do with his plans. Apparently, he seems to cursed the orcs to but the effect is different since the Orcs just got more angrier. Maybe he want something from them too.
It has been a bit since i played, but in one quest i remember... a woman is having fun with wolves. Can we claim her? take her from them later? or is she completely gone? Hopefully we have that opportunity...?
Also how much content for each is there? an example would be how much m/m or m/f and f/f? is there a balance or does one have more then the rest for now? or does one have far less then the others?
Anyways i hope you and all are well and that you take care...
*The fact i that missed the notice at the top notwithstanding >< i am still curious on the current state of content... any help is most appreciated!*
No, you can not save her, at least for know.
We know she is alive and that's it.
About the content, I think there is more M/F (If you pick the female MC) and M/M equally since there are just a few female NPCs you can interact. Most of the NPCs you find are males and most of them are bissexual.
I just saw you edit now.
For a game who still in development stage, this game is such a charming experience. He's well written and there are a lot of NPCs and places and events and quests and arts.
Right know, I think Hyao (the creator) already introduced us to the main plot, but we can sure wait a ton of things to come before it ends.
Thank you for the information!
And the time you spent on replying...
It kinda has me down that we can't save or possibly (read hopefully) claim the "wolf" girl yet. But with the quality of the game so far and the shear awesomeness of the dev and their team i can gladly wait.
Stay safe and take care all...!
To be honest with you I don't think in the near future (or ever) she'll be saveable. You don't seem to know much about her so I think you'll be surprised when you realize.
The fact you can not even mess with werewolfs while exploring the Den with Logan probably because Hyao would not be able to put it into words what Logan would feel seein another person he loves offering himself to werewolves LOL
I... I didn't think of it this way. but it makes sense.
Probably would be a Game Over since he would kill us
I can't figure out how to finish the Korg halloween event. There are 3 parts to the quest. Meeting Korg at Rose's shop, answering Korg's question at home about light and dark colors, then a third part that I can't seem to figure out. Does anyone have an answer to this?
After you finished the first Halloween event during Fair which held on Sunday, I think you need to enter to Bareshade during the night next day for the third part of this event.
I think you have to visit MC's house in Bareshade, not just the city
question for anyone who wants to answer, do we call the updates the month they came outs update or the month they were worked on? like the update that came out this month is November, but it was worked on in October, so is it October's update or November's?
Personally, I call the updates the month they came outs update. Just like when we hold some camps or parties, we actually call the month or the season that camps or parties were held, like summer camp, even we have prepared things for camps or parties before that.
I call them v 0.47, v 0.48 and so on. Actually the update 0.47 was worked on in September (the halloween special is part of v 0.48), it came out in October for Patreon members and in November for the public
Calling it the month they were worked on would be kinda strange.
Let's think this way. Hyao released October's update day 5, so, he has enough time to work on the next month update and release it every month, on the 5° day.
Hey guys how do I get Gunnar's black heart?
Defeat him in combat and penetrate him after you do so.
seduce him to his max lust bar and fuck his ass.
Why would you ever think of hurting his feelings?? What is wrong with you?? He is such a husband content.
the reason they thought about hurting his feelings is prolly the same reason people do the corrupted lizard path, Horny.
Corruption path is such a bad choice since you'll loose most of the lewd scenes
yeah. but you can have them in a separate save, one for the horny in bad and one for the horny in good. also you can only keep Roushk in jail if he is on the corrupted route and he gets a special scene with Rhot when you fuck Rhot after you capture him, that is not in the good route so special horny.
(even if i cant bring myself to do it i know it exists.)
Rhot is so precious I think that lizard needs a hug
someone has a backup before logan comes drunk to your house. if so please give me the download link
To be honest with you, you're not loosing anything.
He would hate you for that later and the whole scene is not that much either.
that might be why they need the save, they might have chosen the sex scene instead of the "nah homie you drunk" option out of curiosity and forgot to save at the choice.
He said in another comment that he just wanted to see what would happen
oh gotcha, didn't see that. my bad lol
How can i trigger this please 🥺
Why do you think Logan is such a difficult character to get along with? He's so different from the others since there are a LOT of ways to screw his route.
His choices are always kinda tricky since it's kinda difficult to read him. The fact that he is possessive and don't want to share you don't help either.
well for me logan is like tsundere anime girl haha, and that is preety fun to deal with😂
He's a lovely guy (just don't make him mad)
Which is the most difficult part of the game, actually
and thats the point where the game is more exciting right?😁😁
To answer your question: I see how people can see in Logan a nice challenge to deal with, a hard nut to crack you know? That sort of thing, then they get to see his other side, that works for them.
In my case however, I dont like when someone yells at me (whatever that reason is). I suppose I can let that detail happen in a fictional world... But I would never be able to endure such thing in a real man: I would lack the courage, guts and patience to withstand any kind of yelling. My 1st reaction would be to run away. Especially for a person that is not very confident.
At my age of 36 I expect (if such thing ever happens lol) that I can communicate and talk things out with my man in a reasonable way. I dont care if you are hot af or what but if you throw sudden violent temper tantrums, that is going to be a big no-no for me lol
Interestingly enough, Logan agrees with your assessment of him! At least, based on Logan's in-game actions.
He's abrasive, generally doesn't touch people, and with his now ex-wife leaving him he's a very bitter man, who closes himself off from everyone around him.
Every time you help him out, he notes that you shouldn't.. That you should do what everyone does and tolerate him at best. He tries to do everything by himself, often to the point of severely injuring himself rather than asking for help. Logan honestly seems to believe that he should just be alone, since he's not a good enough person to deserve anyone else - the one person he opened himself up to hurt him really badly.
For me, now, my being kind to Logan in return isn't due to a challenge; it's empathy. I'd like to help Logan trust people a bit more again, and you're rewarded for this by him getting less abrasive. Less angry. Heck, it gets to the point where you can have people meet up with Logan who would definitely have caused him to flip out before - but instead now he just grumbles a little, since he trusts you. Is much more willing to stick his neck out. He's still gruff, since he's stubborn, and you're not going to erase who he is (nor should you!), but I find it heartwarming seeing him open up.
The scene where Logan first transforms, you catch up to him, and he in tears begs for you to stay (since he believes you shouldn't and won't) since he's terrified of being alone /right now/ when he's not sure what is happening to him is one of the most powerful in the game to me.
It's then kind of neat, in my opinion, that Hyao has an option for 'Ehhh I just want a ton of sex scenes' instead, haha, as you can always just go for bottom Logan and get plenty of scenes with none of that 'needing to form a relationship with him' in the way. As really, nobody is for everybody - some people find Caleb being a goofball to be annoying, others rather adore him for it.
Either way, that's Logan for you.
I never thought of it as Logan himself didn't feel he deserved love, but the way you said it actually makes that make a lot of sense! everything he does is to push others away, so he doesn't get hurt himself, but also so he doesn't hurt them. maybe Serena cheating made him feel unworthy of love and also angry at others who get it? like a double-edged sword where he wanted it but couldn't stand the idea and the potential betrayal that could happen after the last time, so in response he shuts himself away and shuts any pathway to his heart, but well, where there's a will there's a way lol.
Logan is toxic. Both in game situations and when you bring it to the real world.
He is toxic because he knows how stubborn he is, but he don't do a thing to change it. It just happened because the MC appeared on his life.
And you can say: "But he is hurten and don't know how to call for help or is afraid or it's too prideful to do it" and you're right.
The fact that he is a toxic person does not mean he isn't a human being. He is suffering A LOT through and before game events (since his marriage was basically dead).
On my opinion, what happens to Logan is something similiar that happens in psicology, during a relationship between a psycologist and a pacient. It's very common to the pacient to do something we call "emotional dump" (I don't know the proper word for it in English, sorry) where the pacient start to get feelings for his/her psycologist.
This happens because the psycologist figure is the one that makes you feel better. That understands you. You are not in love with him/her because you like him/her, but simply because it makes you feel better about yourself and you want this person closer to you.
This is basically how I ser LoganXMC relationship. You are the only one trying to help him regardless of how rude he treats you. You are the only one who saw him at his worst and stayed by his side. You are the only one who he feels comfortable to talk to. You make him feel better about himself, you make him feel that he is not a monster (despite he totally acts like one and it's totally understandable why people think what they think about him).
You're totally right.
The only reason why we still try to get along with him is because we know this is game. We knoe that sooner or later he will grow feelings for us. But that does not happen always in reality.
Logan has all the characteristics of an abusive partner. He is that crazy ex of a friend of you. Not a nice person, for real.
While I agree with most of what you stated here, I wouldn't quite say /everything/, since uh...
>We knoe that sooner or later he will grow feelings for us.<
That part isn't true for me at least, haha. Since another person who's pretty abrasive is Gunnar, and I am trying my best to be friendly to him whenever I can even though I honestly don't expect him to grow feelings for me. Like, I'm also a top and do not put up with him being a jerk (particularly to anyone else; this fact is also true to Logan by the by), but I then have consciously stuck my neck out to help him out more than once.
Now, I then don't care about him nearly as much, but my ideal goal for him is 'can meet up on friendly terms' more than anything else haha. Still, I'm definitely being nice to him!
I then only slightly agree with your last statement. It is definitely true that Logan has the /characteristics/ of an abusive partner, but an important line is that he's then /not/ an abusive partner because he imposes on the player exactly once, and that's when you the player go after him during the werewolf event (And is, I believe, the only time he begs for help). If anything, he pushes people away because he doesn't think he'd make a good partner at all, haha, and this is partially because he has serious anger problems, and partially because he was in a relationship and it ended sourly (that relationship also didn't sound the most healthy!)
And remember - the first time you and Logan are really in a relationship is, uh, 'right now'. Before that he realizes he's having feelings for you, and addresses this in the most Logany possible fashion of 'trying to come over and get drunk enough to give you the only thing he presumes you want from him, since he's a mess' (And his dialogue is pretty clear about 'you couldn't possibly /really/ care'). You /really/ are helping the guy out if you go through his route.
If anything, the fact that he goes out of his way to try to /not/ be in a relationship with you helps show that he's a better person than he thinks he is.
Contrast Gunnar for that, haha, which is part of why I'm not at all as interested in him, but can try to be nice to him all the same.
So yeah - Logan is the angry person who lives off by himself and doesn't bother people, which is different from being an abusive person who wants to take advantage of people.
I really think Hyao has something planned for Gunnar in the future, since he is not a Jerk all the time. He is very serious when talking about Scar and his mission.
If you're a bottom/sub he'll treat you harsh because that's basically what you are asking for when you met him (It does not help the fact that the MC never complains and the text itself tells you that he's enjoying it). About being a top, I don't know how he treats you, but knowing my husband it probably is not what you expect.
Being a top/bottom does not affect how loving he'll be with you. For know his just there for some (awesome) lewd scenes.
About Logan being an abusive partner or don't. I don't think he is abusive, but he portraits himself as one. We know, from him, that one of the problems from his prior relationship was the lack of sex and then they started discussing more and more. We don't know exactly what happened so we can't state anything from it.
There are a lot of way of being abusive and one of those ways it's how little he opens himself to you. Being in a relationship requires honestly when it comes to feelings and he does not do it at all (at least until where I played, before his new event).
When I played for the first time I thought that was impossible to get a romantic relationship with him because that's the way he acts. Just like the MC, when he starts opening himself up for you, I got confused on what were his intentions: he was kissing me because he liked me or because he thought that was what I wanted?
As I said he may not be an abusive partner, but that's the picture of him we get during the gameplay. He is a mess who's trying to get in a relationship with you and the only fact this is probably going to work it's because this is game. That's not how real life works.
>About being a top, I don't know how he treats you,
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I can tell you the answer to this one: He's basically a total jerk to you regardless, haha. He is indeed serious when work is going on, but even then he will stop and drop a jerk statement about what you should be doing, or a jerky-lewd statement about what you should be doing to him.
Now if he didn't then do his job, he'd also be incompetent and Gunnar isn't meant to be incompetent haha, he's a talented guard with some shifty connections. But that is a different story, and he certainly doesn't start a relationship with you and then start treating you harshly because he thinks you might like it (That would be fine). He opens by treating you very harshly, if you like it then hey that's cool for you.
Then I feel you're not quite being fair to Logan with your statements here!
>There are a lot of way of being abusive and one of those ways it's how little he opens himself to you<
I mean that stands to reason - you're not /in a relationship/ when that is happening! In fact this involves him expressly noting that you /shouldn't/ try to get to know him better.
> He is a mess who's trying to get in a relationship with you<
No, he definitely is /not/ this. He goes out of his way to /not/ get in a relationship with you, to try to stick to himself, to shut the player out, even to the point of injuring himself. The first time he really opens up is when he transforms for the first time and is absolutely terrified about being alone - if you stick with him there you can note him still being hesitant and still being 'why would you /do/ that I'm not a good person'.
He is absolutely not /trying/ to get into a relationship with you, even when he begins to have feelings for you due to your being quite selfless towards him. Heck, the whole focus of the 'I'll get you a beer' scene is that he presumes you don't want a /relationship/ with him and just want to have sex with him due to his muscles, so he's trying to get drunk enough to give you what you're owed without feeling too raw about it.
Him trying to have a proper relationship with you is extremely new to him, and he's /much/ more mellow about it now once he begins actually returning your affection. Even there he constantly compares himself to the he-thinks-better-fit-for-you Bernard, haha.
If you go after Bernard first, when you tell Logan that you did that Logan is completely understanding, 'Yeah, that was the right move'.
When you go after Logan first, he is astonished, "Wha?! Why didn't you go after Bernard? Why would you go after /me/ first?"
>when he starts opening himself up for you, I got confused on what were his intentions: he was kissing me because he liked me or because he thought that was what I wanted?<
Oh this is pretty clear too - he cannot fathom anyone /wanting/ to be in a relationship with him, haha, but you are extremely nice to him and quite selfless at that point. Really, that's the crux of the 'I owe you a beer' scene - him assuming that the only reason you could be there for him is because you like how he looks.
Which is also a big part of why, if you take that offer and thus confirm his expectations, it hurts him /so much/. And at that point if you refuse, that's the second time he really opens up to you, really makes himself emotionally vulnerable to you. And also marks a big change in his demeanor towards you, since that's when you actually start 'okay this is sort of a relationship' and he starts being at least a bit more hospitable.
Gunnar is much more of the abusive partner (Gunnar pretty constantly makes demands of you whether you pursue him or not. This is then completely fine if that's your thing, mind you, but is much less fine if it isn't haha). I am happy with the limited 'not tremendously negative' interactions with him that happen sometimes, though!
Logan isn't really searching for a relationship with you (or anyone at the moment, he got burned) and is constantly surprised by your actions towards him, and only starts to really like you when he notes how often you jump in to help him even though (as he often notes) it's stupid to do so since he's not a good person.
...Well, before now haha. If you do have three hearts with him, then /now/ he /is/ trying to be in a relationship with you, and I imagine at least part of it will become pretty rocky since Logan is pretty messed up of an individual. If nothing else, I'm sure he's thinking about his previous relationship every time he does things in this one. So we can see for the future, haha.
I'm glad to have helped Logan get more comfortable with being a werewolf, too.
I'm going with the reason being Hyao understood everyone was obsessed with him and wanted to make him a slow burn for readers for longer playtime, which funnily enough also feels like the only GOOD way to write his character with how his plotlines have been set up.
those setups being, He was cheated on by his wife who had been with him for prolly his entire adult life with LITERAL animals and giant werewolves he counts as monsters, he then proceeded to become a werewolf which was something else his wife ditched him for.
Then had to deal with the MC being in his life and changing how he felt about certain things making him an even bigger mess in his mind, especially if you're a guy since he thought he was straight for his entire life until you showed up and basically made him question his own sexuality.
Everything about him screams he needed help and him suddenly just accepting everything and being ok with it wouldn't fit with him at all nor would his choices being easy to read or make, how could anyone really tell with simplicity what choice would be correct unless you went through something similar and had someone like you who you wish said those things to you. this however is all coming from a major whore for him and also someone who could tell what choices to make due to having a major addiction to reading fan fiction/any book with a love interest that is damaged or hurt getting the help they need from someone they eventually fall in love with, giving me prior experience with what choices would make a person really mad or help them out.
also, Hyao is like really good at writing character's that feel like real human's so if you understand how people would usually act in real life it gets a bit easier to read as well.
Damn Idk but I love to see him and to think how deep Logan character is
Logan is the most well written character by far. Maybe in the future we will be able to see more of his sweet side.
I'm hoping so
Hey so I'm using the mobile version and for some reason the screen's misaligned. It's messing up the buttons too, so it's pretty much unplayable for me. I tried reinstalling too, it's still the same.
Try using the options menu and selecting a new resolution, maybe it will work.
I did manage to try that, it still doesn't change anything
Okay I managed to find a fix for this. After opening the game, I go back to my phone's home screen and open the game again, and it realigns the screen back to normal.
Oh, that's great. I hope you have a joyful gameplay. If you need anything or have any doubts, feel free to ask.
Oh! Well since you're offering, I do have a question I'd like to ask. Do I need to have the axe or pickaxe to use them for their respective tasks, or is it enough to just have them in the inventory?
You don't need to equip it, if that's what you're asking. It beeing in your inventory it's enough for the game to understand you can mine/chop.
Oh thank goodness. Thanks answering my question!
someone has a backup before logan comes drunk to your house. if so please give me the download link
You made the wrong choices?
I just didn’t try to agree to sex when he comes, so I’m asking if someone has a save)
Damn I really love seeing Logan tretingthe MC as his property and getting emotional with Him but I wonder if the bext update will finally bring us His 4th heart and a romantic route
well just wait what @hyao will bring to us
#MCxLogan
damn YES!!
I don't think his fourth heart will be in the next update but maybe some minor stuff with him since Hyao said October's update was gonna be a bit smaller since we got the Halloween update.
Yeah but I wonder if the thing will be some different action during the sunday fair or spend the night with him but idk I just love that guy
[Spoilers] There will be some repeatable sexy stuff with him but nothing major
Are there any power bottoms on the game? I don't play as top so I don't really know.
yes there are a couple, I can't list them all but Corrupted Logan is one.
Sorry, what is exactly a "power bottom"? I´ve heard about it a few times, but never truly understood.
Power bottom = Beefy guy with the role of bottom?
It's an agressive bottom.
also yes this. perfect example of one.
Barrel... Ugh xD, I cant remember now. Who was Barrel again? A... bandit?
Corrupted Logan is the same as the Bottom Logan?
yes.
Yes there are scenes were this NPC are power bottoms: Bottom Logan, Female Bandit, Vicoria, Korg, Ratkin, Scrap
KORG IS A POWER BOTTOM WHAT
If you are dominant when you use the love potion, he takes control riding you
This is awesome.
someone has a backup before logan comes drunk to your house. if so please give me the download link
for some unknown reason, I can't invite Feliar to the fair. Can someone please tell me how to invite him? I have to invite him to trigger the beginning of the end
You need to talk to him and choose "Seek some confort" (Requisites: Like: 15; Ask about the inscription in the underground)
Where I buy Pumpkins? I want to try to use it as a gift for Caleb <3
I think he'd prefer if you would dress as a pumpin XD
That works for me too :D. Gonna ask Rose if she can make Pumpkin costume.
Wow Ben Dover, I didnt realise at first, but I see what you did there. You are getting really good with puns xD
Thank you! I try my worst ;P
....next Halloween event we get a pumpkin costume? XD
I imagine next Halloween dressing as Pumpkin and telling Caleb "May I... be your Pumpkin this year?" Fuck, that would be f***ing hot. lol UwU
Given that we already sew with Rose it could be easilly implemented
I chose the bad ending for the lizard tribe and captured Roushk. I brought him to the tribe to infect the whole tribe with the curse, but when i get back home roushk is no longer in his prison cell. Is this what's to be expected after the event?
I also am kinda feeling bad for choosing the bad ending. It makes me feel want to start anew and choose the good one instead. Will I still get sexy scenes when going through that route?
Roushk is back at the corrupted lake
Currently is better to choose the good ending, otherwise a great amount of content is lost.
The only unique thing for the bad ending is that you can capture Roushk and Roth end get unique sex scenes. otherwise is better to restart
Thanks. Yes, I think I will start over.
You're welcome
I started a new game to try different routes.
The thing is: when I choose to not inform Othra about the corrupted lake under the forgotten temple, and when I suggest her to inform all lizards about the purification lake, the quest log still tells me to find Roushk at the corrupted lake, but when I take him to Othra, the quest log tells me I did not make those chooses, but the cleansing route ones. Is this normal? If not, what are the right steps to do?
Is normal: is a "bug". The only way to have the bad ending and show the red choices in the log is to choose "Tell the others about the lake" and Warriors’ + Acolytes’ lust >=10, otherwise indipendently from your choiches it resets as if you had choosen the green options
Its so amazing to think how this game keeps growing and growing. Hyao, thank you for the lust update ;) xD.
Message written from the wolves den while I keep allowing the alpha werewolf to "plop plop plop" my ass. I also see a line of werewolves waiting for their turn looking at me mischievously :U. Its all thanks to you.
How do we raise Sabal lust?
Lust potions
Kay thanks
Hyao thank you for making this game, originally I was only interested in getting dicked down but now I have several incredibly addicting storylines that I can't wait to find out the mysteries of and a massive community of people who have similar interests as me at almost any time of day! you're amazing and I hope your life is always blessed by luck and happiness.
also, deadass if you ever became an author for a book and wrote about stuff in Aigran or any other world you make I would prolly buy it in a heartbeat.
Who´s deadass?
my phrasing was off on that bit lol, what I meant was if Hyao ever wrote a book I would buy the book asap, deadass was just supposed to mean super serious lmao.
Ah, never mind then xD
Omg, I'd buy the book instantly lmao